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#210722 - 10/04/12 09:18 PM
Re: Willing your team to lose and fail is not "support"
[Re: Carheex]
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Bar I totally agree with you on our football. Too little gets made by the media and opposition fans of how we've often battered a team and gone on to lose or draw to their only shot of the game.
Despite doing worse in the league with truly astonishingly large amounts of money, I see Kenny as having more of a possibility of turning it around compared to Roy simply because the football being played is far far better. However, somewhat contradictory to my opening paragraph, I do think there is a danger of us Liverpool fans making too much of it. Roy Evans got us playing incredible football, but it didn't work out. Barcelona are a freak of nature, the way they have been winning everything whilst playing such beautiful football 90% of the time, good football doesn't always lead to results, it has to be the right kind of 'good' football, and I'm starting to wonder more and more if its that kind of football that Kenny has in his locker to manage, or if its the kind that flatters to deceive.
It is difficult to give a definitive answer because we have made so many guilt edge chances, you'd think by this stage of the season, we would start putting some away. On the face of it looking at the chances etc you'd see Liverpool aren't as far away as league position may suggest, and maybe Kenny can tweak things in the summer, however if it was only a tweaking that was required, I'd expect the results to have changed already, he's had a whole year to turn performances into some results, but is still falling far short.
If the same things keep going wrong game after game, there is a pattern, it can't be just poor or unlucky finishing, there is something wrong with the coaching and management. I don't think Liverpool have enough time to sort that out. We need to hit the ground running next season. Kenny surely can't actually teach the players to be bad finishers are solely strip them of their finishing skills - I'd say that such power would be a talent in itself! Maybe it is something to do with the coaching, or the confidence instilled in the players, but at the end of the day, football is a results business. I think 2 cup wins and 5th - or even 6th, would have saved him for another season, but the last 2 months have been so bad that it looks like that ship has sailed for him. On saturday we had Doni,Shelvey,Flanno, Henderson(still young)in the side and there is no doubt that does affect performances considering who is missing Johnson,Lucas, Adam. Wenger did earlier in the season and was lambasted for it so maybe just fair we get the same treatment?. When the players returned though so have the results. The only long term absentee that would make an real difference is Lucas, but considering a lot of our problems have been in the final 3rd his absence is irrelevant really. Granted, he effects 'how' we play to an extent but his presence has nothing to do with the business end of the pitch and sticking the ball in the net. If he'd been fit all season we might have a few more draws to our name but nothing more. We removed 70mil of talent though, so cannot be put on those terms. But that is a red herring for both our arguments as money for a player does not really matter - how a player performs is more indicative of whether a team improves NOT HIS VALUE. We don't argue that cups have been good this year and results home and away against teams placed higher in the league has been satisfying - correct? The league performances have in general been very good but results have not followed, often we have played the same team weeks apart and offered similar performances but without the required result. Is this the manager telling players to be up for one and not another? I doubt it. I would say we have more than competed against our peers and just lack that extra edge or quality. all in all not a bad account of ourselves. Moving onto the weaker teams in the league, we have in general been woeful, maybe not always in performance but in execution certainly. Too many teams have been let off the hook from winning posistions - Sunderland through to the QPR debacle, is this players, manager or both? The players bought are considerably younger than those who have left, all have made a step up in quality and more importantly expectation. Regardless of manager that will not change, all players bought have come with high regard and were top performers for their teams last season. The money was not wasted, but you cannot throw in seven players of which 4 are young and expect miracles. The cups suggest they have a higher gear the league suggests they struggle to maintain it. More consistency will only come with a settled side and philosophy. Swapping and changing will only add more uneccesary turmoil. Man City have dramatically over spent on their squad and are two years ahead of us, yet they too are failing when it matters most. All managers need money, support but more importantly time.
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#210724 - 10/04/12 09:24 PM
Re: Willing your team to lose and fail is not "support"
[Re: Carheex]
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Do you know, I heard a stat the other day that he's STILL our top tackler in the league this season, despite being out since November. That speaks volumes, eh? Shocking stat. Just goes to show how much he's been missed and how inadequate his replacements have been. Doesn't surprise me. Another incredible stat - even though we sold Torres in January 2011, he scored more goals for LFC last year than he did for Chelsea!!! Playing very well at the moment though and would happily pay £50m for him if Chelsea paid us £35 (yes I said £'35!') for Carroll.. I don't know if there are many people who would actually argue with that - perhaps only the staunch Torres haters who can't find it in them to forgive him. He may have scored f*ck-all goals this season (again) but he's got a fair few assists - it seems everytime I see a Chelsea match or the highlights of one, he's getting an assist. I'd take him back, but I don't see it happening.
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#210738 - 10/04/12 09:45 PM
Re: Willing your team to lose and fail is not "support"
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Torres when he came to us was one of the worlds top strikers. Would anyone of his calibre come to us now I wonder particularly with Dalglish in charge. I like to think it depends on the player. To play for a team like Liverpool. Especially in the crisis we're in right now. Being a part of the team that pulls you out of the trough and back into glory. That's better than any sum of money to me.
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#210746 - 10/04/12 09:52 PM
Re: Willing your team to lose and fail is not "support"
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Torres when he came to us was one of the worlds top strikers. Would anyone of his calibre come to us now I wonder particularly with Dalglish in charge. I like to think it depends on the player. To play for a team like Liverpool. Especially in the crisis we're in right now. Being a part of the team that pulls you out of the trough and back into glory. That's better than any sum of money to me. Yeah but your a fan most of these don't think like that especially oversea's based players.
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