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#210240 - 10/04/12 12:07 AM Re: king kenny [Re: Stanley Park]
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i don't think they will do anything myself..seem to be a bit wait and see , less active and hands on than i thought they'd be..stadium issue seems to be on the long finger..i'd say they will continue as before, we will sign maybe 2 quick players and a replacement striker for the dud and that will be it

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#210296 - 10/04/12 01:15 AM Re: king kenny [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By: kennymuststay
he does of course. he is the manager, but like i said imo carroll was being bought no matter what. hendo to i feel was commolli's pet stats signing. straight in for him in the summer, whilst kenny's signings downing,adam dragged out a bit. maybe i am wrong but thats how i see it. carroll is a mare that needs to be forgotten about but i would be much happier if commolli left rather than kenny


I personally see Carroll as a total kenny signing. Think Kenny saw him to make a big man little man link up, young and english, think he was Kennys number one signing.

Henderson I could see being suggested to him though due to his incredible stats at the end of last season.

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#210300 - 10/04/12 01:18 AM Re: king kenny [Re: bigredkop]
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hendo will come good

carroll is a dalglish signing as kenny is still living in the 80's with his football concepts

big man small man combo

how old is this thinking in football terms?
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#210321 - 10/04/12 01:36 AM Re: king kenny [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Rubbish what do you know about Shankly ? he would not have stood for this nor would he have paid £35m for a pony tailed championship player. ok he did sign Alun Evans but we will ignore that. Shankly progressed the club more or less from day one he had small setbacks but overall the club went forward and fast. He was good with the media too unlike Kenny who is pityfull.

Game has changed stan. If we're going to give someone credit for signings under Shanks then i think Mr. Twentyman needs a mention (Keegan, King Kenny, Hansen, Rush etc all discovered by him). Commolli signing and spending the money. It's one thing Kenny saying he likes someone but it's up to Commolli to put it all together.

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#210325 - 10/04/12 01:40 AM Re: king kenny [Re: Lucas21]
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Lucas its always been like that in Dalglish first time at the club as manager he had Tom Saunders, Ron Yeats, Roy Evans, Ronnie Moran and upstairs Bob Paisley. Not a bad backroom I think you will agree.
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#210330 - 10/04/12 01:43 AM Re: king kenny [Re: Stanley Park]
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Dalglish and the gang must all go but we support until they leave at the end of the season.

but they must go no questions asked
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#210338 - 10/04/12 01:47 AM Re: king kenny [Re: heggypompom]
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Originally Posted By: heggypompom
hendo will come good

carroll is a dalglish signing as kenny is still living in the 80's with his football concepts

big man small man combo

how old is this thinking in football terms?


About 12-13 years.

It did "exist" back when we was successful, with the likes of Toshack and Keegan, but nobody pointed out the "big man, little man stereotype" it was just simply, one good player, playing of, of another.

Only relatively recently have we come into a culture of the "big man, little man" A philosophy much used by a Harry Redknapp at West Ham, Portsmouth and early on at Spurs, although not so much now.

Carroll was bought to create options and space for players around him, bring them into play, assist goals and score them, whether or not the players around him are all 6'4 or all 5'5.

Kenny had two "big men" up front at Blackburn, with Shearer and Sutton. They were successful, did anyone complain about the "big man, big man" combination?

Your big man, little man, Kenny "80's football concept" falls on its ars*!

1. Kenny hasn't deployed Carroll and Suarez every single game.

and

2. When he has, it's not with the one dimensional conventional "big man, little man" philosophy either.




Finally, what makes you believe Hendo "will" come good, but Carroll won't?

Carroll hasn't exactly fired on all cylinders either, but there is a valid argument to make, that he has done more than Henderson AND offered a better option. Also, take into account, less trust, faith and persistence with Carroll.

Neither player has played to their maximum at all and neither justify the money spent on them.

But this Hendo "will" come good consensus I hear, is baseless. I for one really hope so, but I feel people are looking at Lucas as some sort of comparison and justification as to why Hendo "will" come good.

The fact is, Henderson isn't being converted to another position, like Lucas was. Henderson is playing in positions, attacking positions, familiar to him as a player. Positions he has played in before, and can admittedly play.

The fact that his output, is virtually nil, (even when played in his preferred position) worries me. I doubt whether Henderson will come good at all, I just haven't seen the small signs (like Lucas showed for instance) and especially when he didn't really set the world a light at Sunderland either.

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#210352 - 10/04/12 01:57 AM Re: king kenny [Re: ]
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do you want some lynx for all that sweat?
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#210376 - 10/04/12 02:18 AM Re: king kenny [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: craney91
Originally Posted By: heggypompom
hendo will come good

carroll is a dalglish signing as kenny is still living in the 80's with his football concepts

big man small man combo

how old is this thinking in football terms?


About 12-13 years.

It did "exist" back when we was successful, with the likes of Toshack and Keegan, but nobody pointed out the "big man, little man stereotype" it was just simply, one good player, playing of, of another.

Only relatively recently have we come into a culture of the "big man, little man" A philosophy much used by a Harry Redknapp at West Ham, Portsmouth and early on at Spurs, although not so much now.

Carroll was bought to create options and space for players around him, bring them into play, assist goals and score them, whether or not the players around him are all 6'4 or all 5'5.

Kenny had two "big men" up front at Blackburn, with Shearer and Sutton. They were successful, did anyone complain about the "big man, big man" combination?

Your big man, little man, Kenny "80's football concept" falls on its ars*!

1. Kenny hasn't deployed Carroll and Suarez every single game.

and

2. When he has, it's not with the one dimensional conventional "big man, little man" philosophy either.




Finally, what makes you believe Hendo "will" come good, but Carroll won't?

Carroll hasn't exactly fired on all cylinders either, but there is a valid argument to make, that he has done more than Henderson AND offered a better option. Also, take into account, less trust, faith and persistence with Carroll.

Neither player has played to their maximum at all and neither justify the money spent on them.

But this Hendo "will" come good consensus I hear, is baseless. I for one really hope so, but I feel people are looking at Lucas as some sort of comparison and justification as to why Hendo "will" come good.

The fact is, Henderson isn't being converted to another position, like Lucas was. Henderson is playing in positions, attacking positions, familiar to him as a player. Positions he has played in before, and can admittedly play.

The fact that his output, is virtually nil, (even when played in his preferred position) worries me. I doubt whether Henderson will come good at all, I just haven't seen the small signs (like Lucas showed for instance) and especially when he didn't really set the world a light at Sunderland either.


Craney a good sensible post and one without comeback as we just don't know. Henderson is a classic moneyball type signing, he is athletic, technically very good, no1 assists at Sunderland, quite strong and has a good injury free record. Against his peers he stands out as having it all BUT doesn't really possess anything magical, something to change game or have burning desire to attack in a certain way. This is why he neither offends nor pleases, he rarely gives the ball away and positionally is good. He also has an eye for a good pass, several assists this season. Do we notice he is there though? probably not, he will as it stands not change a game for you.

Carroll from his highlights at Newcastle is the opposite, he doesn't have great Technical skills, is not athletic or a great footballer or thinker- he is however known to be unplayable even devastating when in the mood, this has not been evident so far in a red shirt. His all round game has improved since he joined us but the bit he was good at has gone and doesn't look like coming back soon. He has to find that spark, maybe the humiliation at Newcastle was it, maybe not shouting at the ref for fouls might help.

maybe

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#210513 - 10/04/12 11:15 AM Re: king kenny [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Rubbish what do you know about Shankly ? he would not have stood for this nor would he have paid £35m for a pony tailed championship player. ok he did sign Alun Evans but we will ignore that. Shankly progressed the club more or less from day one he had small setbacks but overall the club went forward and fast. He was good with the media too unlike Kenny who is pityfull.


Regarding Shankly: Yes, well done for seizing on one of my rare typos! I also forgot that you alone are the only one qualified to comment on our pre-Rafa history on this site. As has been pointed out - you are trying to compare two completely different eras. And for someone that criticises others for lapsing into nostalgia you show you are more than capable of it when it suits you. I don't think you can say who Shankly would have signed with today's money... but I can tell you he wouldn't kick the club in the teeth when their down... like you do every day!

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