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#215158 - 19/04/12 07:26 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By: kennymuststay
the reason rafa needed a high turnover of players is that he couldn't keep players happy, especially creative attacking minded players. he stifled them, he had bellamy at the club when craig was at his peak,bellamy was useless and wasted here cause rafa's mindset was to always be in defensive covering positions. thats just the way he was,nothing to do with not getting his first choices or whatever , only 1 or 2 managers in the world get their first choice. Rafa would rather start a game with a fullback on the wing rather than a bellamy type player ,thats just who he was and its demoralising for a club in the long term..kenny is moving the team and club forward together, and i think it matters a whole hell of a lot if the players believe and want to win for each other and the manager


If you are going to criticise RB for playing players out of position then why no mention of KD doing it all the time and actually losing games? I'm confident that when Rafa did it we won more often than not.
The only thing that matters is league positions: Rafa had us in the top 3 most of the time which progressed to runners up, before H&G got heavy handed hence our drop to 7th. We were destined for premier league glory under RB but it was snatched away from him. Bring him back ASAP!!!
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#215159 - 19/04/12 07:35 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: Carheex]
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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
No, I think you're referring to the person I responded I to. I always thought Rafa did what needed to be done tactically depending on the opposition. The man was a genius at times.
If only H&G had been a bit more supportive - a few years finishing 3rd followed by progression to 2nd......Had the yanks not restricted his spending and allowed him the targets he wanted (far cheaper than the downings and carroll's of this world) then it is very likely he'd have brought us a league title or 2 by now. Everything was going in the right direction, and now look where we are.


5ex Livepool players in the semi finals of the champions league, 4 signed by Rafa. Oh what could have been!

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#215162 - 19/04/12 07:46 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: Carheex]
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we were destined for premierleague glory until rafa threw it away by totally turning ultra negative. his personality could never win the premier league. it was ours that season and we would have won it had he not returned for that week or 2 he was out sick. the man had a great chance and blew it.

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#215167 - 19/04/12 08:26 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By: kennymuststay
we were destined for premierleague glory until rafa threw it away by totally turning ultra negative. his personality could never win the premier league. it was ours that season and we would have won it had he not returned for that week or 2 he was out sick. the man had a great chance and blew it.


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#215168 - 19/04/12 08:27 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: EMP]
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raffa is far too stubborn to be a success in the long term. one of fergies great attributes is his ability to be flexible, change players round if he is not getting the best out of them. i still shudder at the amount of games i watched raffa repeatedly stick with that attrocious attempt at zonal marking. but he persisted because hi "belief" that he was right over ruled glaring logic.
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#215172 - 19/04/12 09:01 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: Desh]
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Originally Posted By: Desh
I'm pro Rafa, Pro Dalglish, Pro O'neil, pro hidink, pro AVB in a few years time, anti Moyes, anti Mourinho, anti Hodgson,
thanks for sharing that with us whistle

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#215188 - 19/04/12 09:57 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: flames]
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rafa far too stubborn? Yes but he won his big games.
What happen to KD then? he is much more stubborn and to date he still do not who is his best 11 and still stick to his belief.


Edited by donjoe1000 (19/04/12 09:57 PM)

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#215191 - 19/04/12 09:59 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: donjoe1000]
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Lets not forget the semi final game is crap completely other then our 2 goals. The starting 11 is already a big mistake.

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#215193 - 19/04/12 10:09 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: donjoe1000]
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The thing i find annoying with KD is his team selection, I.E Maxi wasn't selected for a few games, first game back scores two goals then not selected again.

if we could get a player like Cisse @ Newcastle for cheap something about him i like and spend wisely and get rid of the deadwood fudge knows how much we would get for them and we could have a good squad.

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#215219 - 20/04/12 12:06 AM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: Dunkinator]
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Originally Posted By: Dunkinator
The thing i find annoying with KD is his team selection, I.E Maxi wasn't selected for a few games, first game back scores two goals then not selected again.

if we could get a player like Cisse @ Newcastle for cheap something about him i like and spend wisely and get rid of the deadwood fudge knows how much we would get for them and we could have a good squad.


Interesting new moniker there.... you're running low though ain't ya?

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