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#213985 - 16/04/12 01:09 AM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: bigredkop]
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Originally Posted By: bigredkop
Originally Posted By: ianrush81
Originally Posted By: redtillimdead
Hmm not too sure about that one rushy, I think the board at the red sox would be pretty vexed if money made by them would be used to fund another business.
there is only one pot of money within the FSG global company and that has to do us all, they got the money from that pot in the first place to buy us with even if it was at a knock down price, speculate to accumilate is what there doing, they even started to dilute us within a month or so of buying us by selling parts of the Liverpool franchise off.


I disagree, I think the 'pot of money' gets compartmentalized into their various assets and interests. It's bad business to do as you suggested and FSG might not know football, but they do know business.
It's no good having one part of the franchise doing well while another is'nt as it will drain the money from the other franchise parts, you have to use the money to make sure they are equaly performing and making money, thats how it works, juggling act in a way.

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#213987 - 16/04/12 01:11 AM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: ianrush81]
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They may manage them seperately but at the end of the day FSG is one company. If one part is doing bad its can't but help affect the others. Conversely one area might subsidise the other. There was some comment by redsox fans that last season they were subsidising Liverpool.
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#213991 - 16/04/12 01:16 AM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
They may manage them seperately but at the end of the day FSG is one company. If one part is doing bad its can't but help affect the others. Conversely one area might subsidise the other. There was some comment by redsox fans that last season they were subsidising Liverpool.
To be honest Stanley we would all probably say the same if the shoe was on the other foot and we were bailing out the red sox. These Americans are only here to make money, the Club will only ever be treated as a business and not a football club with traditions and history, they want bang for the buck which means putting as little as possible in and taking maximum profits out.

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#214013 - 16/04/12 02:01 AM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: Stanley Park]
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I though fsg was a Holding company for liverpool, and the red sox come under the umbrella of NESV - 2 seperate entities. I might be wrong...
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#214015 - 16/04/12 02:05 AM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: ianrush81]
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Originally Posted By: ianrush81
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
They may manage them seperately but at the end of the day FSG is one company. If one part is doing bad its can't but help affect the others. Conversely one area might subsidise the other. There was some comment by redsox fans that last season they were subsidising Liverpool.
To be honest Stanley we would all probably say the same if the shoe was on the other foot and we were bailing out the red sox. These Americans are only here to make money, the Club will only ever be treated as a business and not a football club with traditions and history, they want bang for the buck which means putting as little as possible in and taking maximum profits out.


I disagree with the intent of this post. Yes, it's a business - all sport is these days. They want Liverpool to be self-sufficient and successful, just like any business. Funny how that coincides with what we fans want. If they take some money, then so be it, as long as Liverpool FC is not being drained (and I say it again to the doubters: the owners have done nothing to deserve such a staggering lack of faith). With FFP on the horizon, the pragmatic approach of buying young players and developing them is cheaper in the short and long term, and you have much less chance of making big money mistakes on players who don't work out. This may prevent Liverpool being the best club in England, or it may help Liverpool become the best club in England. Who can tell? Spending "big" hasn't worked, so it's pretty obvious we're not going to spend "big" again. I use quotes because our net spend suggests we didn't spend big last summer, but people see a big number and their brains explode so you one can't help the obvious misconceptions.

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#214027 - 16/04/12 02:33 AM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: ianrush81]
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Originally Posted By: ianrush81
Originally Posted By: bigredkop
Originally Posted By: ianrush81
Originally Posted By: redtillimdead
Hmm not too sure about that one rushy, I think the board at the red sox would be pretty vexed if money made by them would be used to fund another business.
there is only one pot of money within the FSG global company and that has to do us all, they got the money from that pot in the first place to buy us with even if it was at a knock down price, speculate to accumilate is what there doing, they even started to dilute us within a month or so of buying us by selling parts of the Liverpool franchise off.


I disagree, I think the 'pot of money' gets compartmentalized into their various assets and interests. It's bad business to do as you suggested and FSG might not know football, but they do know business.
It's no good having one part of the franchise doing well while another is'nt as it will drain the money from the other franchise parts, you have to use the money to make sure they are equaly performing and making money, thats how it works, juggling act in a way.


No that's precisely how it doesn't work. If one Franchise is doing badly you address that separately as a going concern. FSG as a group pump money into the 'pot' which then gets directed to the various nodes of their business network.

Red sox will never subsidize Liverpool, nor the other way around. I think you'll find that actually goes against the very specific rules that owners must agree to when buying 1. A football club in this country and 2. even more so a sports franchize in the US.

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#214127 - 16/04/12 03:06 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: bigredkop]
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spot on. Didn't Hicks try and use Liverpool FC as security in his bid to keep the Texas Rangers? I am sure it go thrown out by the Baseball federation as illegal leverage of assets. The FA would also revoke LFC's license to play in the premier league. This is the only part of the FA 'suitable owners' mandate that seems to work.

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#214143 - 16/04/12 04:39 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: thundyr
Originally Posted By: ianrush81
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
They may manage them seperately but at the end of the day FSG is one company. If one part is doing bad its can't but help affect the others. Conversely one area might subsidise the other. There was some comment by redsox fans that last season they were subsidising Liverpool.
To be honest Stanley we would all probably say the same if the shoe was on the other foot and we were bailing out the red sox. These Americans are only here to make money, the Club will only ever be treated as a business and not a football club with traditions and history, they want bang for the buck which means putting as little as possible in and taking maximum profits out.


I disagree with the intent of this post. Yes, it's a business - all sport is these days. They want Liverpool to be self-sufficient and successful, just like any business. Funny how that coincides with what we fans want. If they take some money, then so be it, as long as Liverpool FC is not being drained (and I say it again to the doubters: the owners have done nothing to deserve such a staggering lack of faith). With FFP on the horizon, the pragmatic approach of buying young players and developing them is cheaper in the short and long term, and you have much less chance of making big money mistakes on players who don't work out. This may prevent Liverpool being the best club in England, or it may help Liverpool become the best club in England. Who can tell? Spending "big" hasn't worked, so it's pretty obvious we're not going to spend "big" again. I use quotes because our net spend suggests we didn't spend big last summer, but people see a big number and their brains explode so you one can't help the obvious misconceptions.


That's too much a of generalisation. Spending big usually does work as long as the spender knows what he's doing. We failed not because the idea of spending big is flawed but because WE spent very badly. The biggest spenders nealry always occupy the top positions in every league.
For me, the buy 'young and develop' method is extremely risky and would have a much better chance of success if all clubs adopted the same policy. But they don't.
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#214159 - 16/04/12 05:03 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: Carheex]
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Honestly I really don't want FSG forking out another 100m knowing that it can go to waste once again on average players. I would rather they spend that on a new stadium for instance. If 30m is spent wisely, it can improve us significantly, whether Dalglish wants to blow out all on Llorente or pick 3 decent players from the other leagues it can definitely improve us and put us up to the next level which is claiming champions league football again.
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#214280 - 16/04/12 08:09 PM Re: Is £20-30 million enough for next season? [Re: Snakeye]
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I think we're really only two players short of what we need. We need a fox in the box poacher and a quality RW. The RW is absolutely critical. A creative center mid would help as well, but if we only signed a good RW I would be content, and if we got both the RW and the striker I would be over the moon.

We should be able to get two decent players for 15 million or so, plus more from transfers. Kuyt is probably going along with Aurelio. I could see Doni and Adam leaving as well, maybe even Maxi (although I'd like to keep him).

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