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#216786 - 24/04/12 09:48 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: Carheex]
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no way. rafa took 3 yrs before he admitting he was wrong to change the line-up by 5 or 6 players each game, refused to adress the zonal marking issue though it clearly was a problems for the defenders. players like skrtel were a disaster under him and would freak out if he came back.
there is no way in hell rafa can come back

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#216790 - 24/04/12 09:54 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: Carheex]
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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
IF Rafa did come back would you give him your support 100%?


If the owners brought him back (and I don't think they will) I would give him my support. Will you do the same if Kenny is retained? Without all the backstabbing?

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#216792 - 24/04/12 10:01 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: TheKopProphet]
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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
Originally Posted By: CarheeX
IF Rafa did come back would you give him your support 100%?


If the owners brought him back (and I don't think they will) I would give him my support. Will you do the same if Kenny is retained? Without all the backstabbing?


Nobody is backstabbing Kenny, KP. I believe majority of us can see that as much as he's trying his best, he just doesn't have the tactical acumen to succeed in the modern game.

As much as you say others are back-stabbing kenny, you're also constantly back-stabbing Rafa with your 'toxic baggage' comment about him. Rafa had integrity and did his best for the club under difficult circumstances. For that, I'll always respect him. By the way, I still think that he's one of the best tacticians out there.

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#216794 - 24/04/12 10:05 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: EMP]
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The only positive i can think of if Rafa comes back is getting some cool stuff. I'm from California, coverage blows pretty hard here and i'm still in school, so traveling to watch a game at the moment is pretty unlikely. However, my Spanish teacher from high school is friends with Rafa, so when he visits every year in the spring he usually brings me something nice back.

Other than that,

Originally Posted By: kennymuststay
no way. rafa took 3 yrs before he admitting he was wrong to change the line-up by 5 or 6 players each game, refused to adress the zonal marking issue though it clearly was a problems for the defenders. players like skrtel were a disaster under him and would freak out if he came back.
there is no way in hell rafa can come back
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#216812 - 24/04/12 10:25 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: Goku]
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What's wrong with zonal marking system? I remember we had one of the best defences and least goals conceded for a few years running under rafa's system? And they were still the same defenders today bar enrique.

And how many stupid goals have we conceded this season using man-marking from dead ball situations? Is man-marking really better than zonal. Go figure.

Perhaps the problem with skrtel was carragher, not rafa. Is it any coincidence that skrtel started playing well when paired with agger?

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#216816 - 24/04/12 10:38 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
I still maintain, that Kenny has pretty much all of Rafa's bad habits as manager, but none of the good ones.


Yeah - Rafa's famed man-management skills served us well....

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#216817 - 24/04/12 10:40 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: Goku]
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Originally Posted By: Goku
The only positive i can think of if Rafa comes back is getting some cool stuff. I'm from California, coverage blows pretty hard here and i'm still in school, so traveling to watch a game at the moment is pretty unlikely. However, my Spanish teacher from high school is friends with Rafa, so when he visits every year in the spring he usually brings me something nice back.

Other than that,

Originally Posted By: kennymuststay
no way. rafa took 3 yrs before he admitting he was wrong to change the line-up by 5 or 6 players each game, refused to adress the zonal marking issue though it clearly was a problems for the defenders. players like skrtel were a disaster under him and would freak out if he came back.
there is no way in hell rafa can come back


I'd happily sacrifice skrtle and carragher if it meant getting back a CL winning manager that almost won us the premier league title.

Skrtel has got a bit better with age and adapting to the league - I don't think it's got much to do with anything else.
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#216835 - 24/04/12 11:23 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: Carheex]
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As a wise man once said, "some people can't see a priest on a mountain of sugar" smile

I am gonna be sensible and objective here and agree with Rafarendum's last post. I might not get along with him but I couldn't have put it better myself. Kenny makes the same mistakes Rafa made but lacks Rafas tactical prowess.
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#216846 - 24/04/12 11:34 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: Coutihnominator!]
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tactical prowess is just get everyone behind the ball

boring ,negative, crazy manager that would suck the soul out of the players if he was to return.. kenny plays ball rafa would never have to courage or skill to do ;

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#216852 - 24/04/12 11:40 PM Re: Big changes in the summer [Re: Coutihnominator!]
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Macca is not always right what about the luc castaignos deal the only one i remember being right was the charlie adam deal altho we all knew for weeks that was going to happen granted he did get the time right as far as munian and soldado are concerned why would they come to liverpool makes no sense to me

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