Roy doesn't a job but you cannot say he has had a successful career in the big leagues

meant does a job

Didn't understand the sentence , but no need for the melodrama! Yes the two are big tournaments, and the teams that are left in the knockout stages of the european cup are generally pretty good. Italy have won the world cup 4 times. So are you saying 4 times winners of the world cup and regular finalists italy are not to be respected this time because this time its the european championships?

the mention of brazil was because if i remember rightly england were largely outplayed as you might expect throughout that game. Italy are as succesful as brazil I think its 4 wins to 5 in the world cup. So why the spanish inquistion when we get beat by a team thats better ? We may have individuals on higher salaries in ashley cole and rooney but are they so much better than what italy have individually?

The italians often come good in the tournaments at the end. I think there attack is the weakest i have seen for years (balliotelli being picked is proof) The italians and germans have always known how to mix different styles of play - us no- the only time we did it was under venebles when we played (imo) a game very similar to the germans.

The fa is to blame for all this and like all football associations they would rather have an old duffer in charge . England was doomed because of lack of preperation time. Now we have to wait 2 years for the fa to run out of excuses for keeping him.

Anyway yes i think the italians are a lot better than we credit them for . I think spain would outdo germany and i was hoping for a spain germany semi, but i have a feeling that this italian team might be the only one that can stop the spaniards.
The germans have a ropey defence in my view and the spaniards would be able to exploit it. If the italians recover from the qf i see no reason why they can't outdo the germans tomorrow, ihope they do as well

But its not just that look at the midfield
if gerrard hadnt exceeded expectation (i think he did cos he is semi crocked) we would have been struggling parker did alright but who not exactly the best midfield on earth is it. Then who else - lampard? Then of course there is rooney who was cos of his name destined to play in all games possible. Who else carrol? Or defoe (dunno like him but we didnt see him) england defence yes world class cole jonshon lescot and terry and the gk the rest no way

I honestly don't think giving Hodgson more time would improve England's performance.

no i don't think Roy can chance at his age now

There's nothing wrong with strengthening the defense and becoming harder to beat - and perhaps that was all Hodgson could achieve in so short a time. But Hodgson will fail just like all the others if he persists with his out-dated and rigid two banks of four - or persists with most of these players. Of course he has to speak encouragingly of the squad but he must know that Rooney is not world class- nor should he be England's lynchpin. He must know that Gerrard, who will always be England's best player in any position, is not a deep lying playmaker and never will be. He must know that Young and Milner were absolutely abysmal throughout the whole tournament - and Wellbeck looked naive.

Hodgson has to change the shape and find a playmaker comfortable on the ball. He has to find better wide players who can keep possession on the break. He also has to stop thinking that Rooney is an automatic first-teamer.

I hope Roy learns the lessons and makes the changes - but I fear he'll just persist with the same mentality and fail like all the others.

kop prophet have you forgotten the 6 mths of the terror regime of hodgson at lfc? He cannot change and will not change. He hasnt learned anything since 1975

No I haven't forgotten. And at another club he might have been given longer and turned it around (or got relegated). But if you're going to dredge up the past you have to be fair and account for his two successful spells with Switzerland and Finland. I do think Roy has a lot of nous for international football but he might prove to be too inflexible as you say. Of course he's going to defend the current players after just getting knocked out... but he has to be thinking there's players that can come in and do a bit better than Young and Milner surely. He's admitted that Rooney was a disappointment.... and the sooner we drop the Rooney is world-class bit the better. I also think he has to stop wasting Gerrard. Hopefully Rodgers will use Gerrard properly next season and show Roy the way!

i still think its a short term fix