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#252669 - 26/07/12 11:25 AM Gaston Ramirez
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Apparently (SkySports) his agent is in the country talking to an unnamed premiership club. Us or Spurs maybe? I hope we make a signing like this but i have a feeling it will be someone else snapping him up.

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#252677 - 26/07/12 11:42 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Ben36]
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not sure he creates enough but we do need width

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#252697 - 26/07/12 12:27 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: cjkent]
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His agent said he is in london for talks so my guess is that if he is going anywhere it'll be spuds

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#252698 - 26/07/12 12:32 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Deco]
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I think he'll end up at spuds too. Who else are we after! Well, if you know, then don't mention it out loud because the spurs will hear a and be after them too!

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#252705 - 26/07/12 12:47 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Pops]
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A lot of the media are saying that we are in pole position to sign him. Rodger's system demands a player of this type so I can't believe we wont be looking to sign Gaston or someone similar. We'll just have to wait and see i suppose.

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#252721 - 26/07/12 01:37 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Pops]
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Originally Posted By: Pops
I think he'll end up at spuds too. Who else are we after! Well, if you know, then don't mention it out loud because the spurs will hear a and be after them too!


Yeah, what is it with them? Every player we're linked with, a few days later they're in for him. It's been going on for ages now.

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#252725 - 26/07/12 01:43 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: wilkij1975]
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Because hopefully we're trying to buy good players and players that are also relatively cheap. Spurs aren't big net spenders generally and so will have some of the same targets that we have

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#252726 - 26/07/12 01:45 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Maxi88]
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or their just a load of copying wank$! lol.

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#252827 - 26/07/12 04:43 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Deco]
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I'll be very, very surprised if we get him or if it's even us he's talking to right now....very happily surprised though!

I doesn't feel to me like we're about to lay out 20mil in a decisive piece of business at this stage. Not saying we won't later in the window, but at the moment I still feel Rodgers is evaluating his squad and probably needs to sell a couple before we can spend that kind of cash.

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#252835 - 26/07/12 05:53 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Augie March]
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Didn't it say they wanted 19.5M, which I think would stretch our budget too far.


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#252838 - 26/07/12 06:04 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Augie March]
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im watching him in a match right now, he was very quiet in the first half until he scored a decent free kick from about 30 yards out. if LFC loses out to spurs for this player would push us to a new low. we can understand with Sidg because he isnt that great but gaston is a player thats very good, and i cant see a reason why he would choose tot over us, unless he believes they are a better club. LFC transfer tactics needs to change they dont want to over pay to the clubs for "certain" players and they dont want to pay players expensive wages we are in a jam for the past 3 years so getting top players based off our competitive form is out of the question so what do we offer these players that other teams wont, atlast tot realised this and decided to give the players decent wages to keep them put. Im all about showing players that no player is bigger than the club but you normally have to in a position to do that and LFC isnt. so they need to sacrifice something to get their man, if not we will forever be getting average players.

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#252848 - 26/07/12 06:27 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Eliot]
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Swap him for downing!!

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#252850 - 26/07/12 06:33 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: LFC2k5]
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He reminds me of someone in build, I just can't put my finger on who it is.

Help?

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#252866 - 26/07/12 08:32 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: ]
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If we get him then good. If not I won't loose too much sleep over it. We don't even know if we're going to or have bid for him do we? I thought we'd just enquired.

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#252867 - 26/07/12 08:56 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: LFC-chris]
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Originally Posted By: LFC-chris
im watching him in a match right now, he was very quiet in the first half until he scored a decent free kick from about 30 yards out. if LFC loses out to spurs for this player would push us to a new low. we can understand with Sidg because he isnt that great but gaston is a player thats very good, and i cant see a reason why he would choose tot over us, unless he believes they are a better club. LFC transfer tactics needs to change they dont want to over pay to the clubs for "certain" players and they dont want to pay players expensive wages we are in a jam for the past 3 years so getting top players based off our competitive form is out of the question so what do we offer these players that other teams wont, atlast tot realised this and decided to give the players decent wages to keep them put. Im all about showing players that no player is bigger than the club but you normally have to in a position to do that and LFC isnt. so they need to sacrifice something to get their man, if not we will forever be getting average players.


This. The time when everyone wanted to come to LFC has come and gone. For the next few years at least, we will be behind the Manchesters and Chelsea in terms of opportunities for trophies and fat wages. And we don't have the Champions League football or the attraction of living in London that Arsenal and Spurs can provide. But we can offer a few things. First and foremost, playing time. It sounds silly, but having a weaker squad could potentially be to our advantage. I think all but the greediest mercenaries would rather start for us than sit on the bench somewhere else. I mean look at Chelsea. Yes, they have a lot of great attacking options in Hazard, Mata, Marin, and Oscar, but how on earth are they all going to play together? At least one of those players will be on the bench, and at least one will be playing out of position. You could even say the same thing about Spurs. I really don't see how AVB would fit Gylfi, Van der Vaart, possibly Modric, and maybe Allen and Ramirez into the same team. We, on the other hand, have a lot of places up for grabs. The only guaranteed starters outside of defense are Lucas, Suarez, and Stevie. I think we have a lot to offer players, we just need to pull our fingers out and start signing people.
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#252924 - 27/07/12 08:33 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: AvailableOnAFree]
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Valid points there. I don't think we will splash the kind of money required to sign him. Would love to him but I doubt they want to be paying the amount required to get him!

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#252930 - 27/07/12 08:50 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: ]
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i wont lose sleep if we don't get him

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#252938 - 27/07/12 09:42 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: cjkent]
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probably not even interested in him, he'll end up at city or spurs and we'll end up with dempsey or allen.

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#252939 - 27/07/12 09:55 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Deco]
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Remins me of Nedved

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#252940 - 27/07/12 10:02 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: LFC2k5]
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Just heard on talksport that we were watching him at Old Trafford last night. Not sure how much I'd trust that though as they did mention we were watching Cavani too.

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#252942 - 27/07/12 10:23 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: KingoftheKop]
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talksport = talkpish

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#252943 - 27/07/12 10:23 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: KingoftheKop]
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i bet we was watching allen as well

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#252945 - 27/07/12 10:26 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: cjkent]
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Frankly, I'd be a little worried if we didn't have people scouting at the majority of the games over the next two weeks.

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#252946 - 27/07/12 10:28 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: KingoftheKop]
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pretty sure i heard somewhere a little while ago that are interest in Ramirez ended when kenny and comoli buggered off anyway didnt it? but aye think most PL teams will have scouts at the games.

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#252947 - 27/07/12 10:31 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Deco]
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cannot do any harm to look

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#252951 - 27/07/12 10:41 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: cjkent]
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Im pretty certain that we will not get Gaston. Normally I have a little bit of hope, but this time around I'm %99 certain. I know that doesn't mean much, but I have not got any hope. Plus for 20mil, is he really worth it? Apart from the hype surrounding him, I can't say that I've heard a lot of good things about him, apparently he goes missing for long periods, think Maxi.

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#252952 - 27/07/12 10:44 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Pops]
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Well that's €20million supposedly, which is more like £16million. I don't know a lot about him in all honesty so I don't know if that's good value but like you Pops, I've heard he goes missing at times and isn't very consistent for Bologna.

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#252954 - 27/07/12 10:48 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: KingoftheKop]
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didnt exactly do anything worth reporting from last nights game except a great free kick.

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#252955 - 27/07/12 10:54 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Deco]
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I would rather get Allen, we need someone who keeps the ball moving and can hold the middle of the pitch together. Gaston would be nice, but for this time I think Dempsey would be better in that position and would cost less, sure he's older, but he's better at the moment, and there are always decent attacking mids coming through, I think Suso will be something special in a few years. I mean Swansea just got one of my first choice attacking mids for 2 mil that is better than Gaston, still scratching my head over that one.

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#252980 - 27/07/12 11:51 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Ben36]
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Originally Posted By: Ben36
Apparently (SkySports) his agent is in the country talking to an unnamed premiership club. Us or Spurs maybe? I hope we make a signing like this but i have a feeling it will be someone else snapping him up.


One thing's for sure, I'll be absolutely GUTTED if he goes to another Premiership club. Hopefully Suarez & Coates and twisting his arm at the moment.
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#252992 - 27/07/12 12:12 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Bar]
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i would love to see him at liverpool,he looks a very accomplished player.he isnt a winger though as many reports would suggest.


Edited by kernowred (27/07/12 12:12 PM)

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#253005 - 27/07/12 12:34 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: kernowred]
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Yeah, from what I've read, we're eyeing him OR Dempsey, and not both. Which is a shame, I think. Can he not play with too though? I thought he could play in the attacking midfield role or on the wing
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#253007 - 27/07/12 12:44 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Bar]
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Yeah I think he can play comfortably on the wing, although I've only got that from youtube videos. Although am I wrong in thinking that you don't use wingers in a 4-3-3 system?

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#253273 - 28/07/12 02:34 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: KingoftheKop]
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From Dunc via FaceBook:

"There's an update on our members website about Gaston Ramirez but we can tell our non-members that further talks between Pablo Betancourt and Liverpool officials will take place after the weekend. Strong competition from other PL clubs and the agent is pushing for Manchester City. However the player, not the agent, will decide his next move. Money not a problem. YNWA."
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#253277 - 28/07/12 02:54 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Salforal]
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Money may not be a problem for the transfer fee but if City will offer double the wages we will he'd be stupid to come to us.

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#253284 - 28/07/12 03:34 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: wilkij1975]
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That is a worry frown. Depends how much playing time he wants, maybe.
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#253294 - 28/07/12 05:07 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Salforal]
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Yeah. Hopefully he wants to play every week which we could offer over City.

Trouble is, if you were offered double the money to do half the work, it's hard to turn down even when it's doing something you love.

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#253298 - 28/07/12 05:13 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: wilkij1975]
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Yep. Cushy number if you can get it!!!!
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#253310 - 28/07/12 05:41 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Salforal]
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Its got to help that there are two Uruguayans hgere already!

That will mean more than an extra 10K a week. Especially as someone else stated, a first 11 spot will be easier in theory at our place.

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#253313 - 28/07/12 05:43 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Bohey1]
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It would be great to pull off a signing like this just to show some intent in terms of where we are hoping to be heading.

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#253359 - 28/07/12 11:53 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: Bar]
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Yeah, from what I've read, we're eyeing him OR Dempsey, and not both. Which is a shame, I think. Can he not play with too though? I thought he could play in the attacking midfield role or on the wing
at this point in time i would take anyone of those

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#253405 - 29/07/12 02:18 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: *** Suso ***]
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The lack of immediate signings really is going to give players like Suso and Sterling the chance to step up now. I would be concerned if we bought Dempsey and Ramirez because with Cole, Aquilani, Lucas looking to get back in the team added to Henderson, Downing and Adam from last season we are looking to have the biggest midfield in the world.

If it came down to £16m Ramirez v £10m Dempsey I would take a chance with the youngster.

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#253424 - 29/07/12 05:19 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: (E)SSO]
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i agree, i think sterling and suso especially could be good under brendan, his type of players. pacheco also impressed me during pre season

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#253461 - 29/07/12 09:40 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: jakeex]
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i agree, i think sterling and suso especially could be good under brendan, his type of players. pacheco also impressed me during pre season


i think stering needs to be loaned out, hes not ready he contributed to our sole goal against toronto but it was more luck to me, whenever he gets the ball he lacks patience to make the right pass or move to get around his man, pachecco as beaten more men outwide than sterling.

Suso on the other hand is completely ready,the fact that he changes the play from wing to wing without a mistake and his passing choices are 99% always right he dribbles attacks the spaces which LFC lacks, i think the risk should be taken with him more than sterling. Sterling has little competition for the winger position so he stands out, Suso is competing with stevie hendo adam aquilanie shelvey and still stands out, that means something, dont you think

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#253506 - 29/07/12 11:40 PM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: LFC-chris]
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totally agree, suso is a huge talent, and will just get better, i would pick him over the majority of our midfield atm. just the player we need

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#253511 - 30/07/12 01:46 AM Re: Gaston Ramirez [Re: jakeex]
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I think Suso and Sterling should both get a shot. Would love to see Ramirez though. Not really too interested on Dempsey for 10m.
Still think Adam and Carroll should leave and maybe loan Henderson out.
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