we should have signed messi, why didn't we swap him with carroll. Kenny out or i mean that BR

Just watched the game. Thought it was encouraging in the sense of the youngsters quite a few looked promising and Pacecho looks back in the frame. Its really silly extrapolating anything from this and the spurs game also. The game that matters is west brom hopefully Rodgers will know his best 11 and the players have some idea what system he wants. We may have some new signings also. There is nothing you can take from the Roma game to judge the season ahead. It was a good workout and chance for the youngsters to show what they can do thats all.

I might have to watch it again, I was nodding of before the game started, I watched all of it last night and thought we were quite poor, ball retention was horrible except for the move for our goal.

Maybe I was being harsh?

Just think you are being a bit negative Craney and it's not like you in fairness.

You have to keep the faith now more than ever man.

I forgot it was on and taped it at 3pm and watched it after coronation street had finished, I know how to live life to the full.

Stan is there no end to your madness

Sorry Craney - I agree with you a lot of the time - but this is a fairly pointless thread.

Firstly, the game was actually fairly even with Roma marginally better. It could have been 4-4 on chances.

Secondly, Rodgers is clearly assessing the squad before making further changes. I think he will have observed a few useful facts - like Shelvey is worth keeping. Cole looks alright on the right of a front three. Pacheco and Suso should stay in the squad if he wants to play tiki taka. Most of the rest of the players will not make it. Spearing was awful... and Ecclestone, Adjoran, Flanagan, Morgan, etc. are not ready. Adam is on the bubble despite scoring. Making these decisions is the whole point of having this tour.

Thirdly, it ain't gonna happen over night, especially with most of the first team missing. It certainly ain't gonna happen with the likes of Spearing playing most of the game - he gave it away countless times in poor positions.

With 6 or 7 of our most probable starting 11 not even playing I think it's far too early to be making any type of judgement at all on the style we are playing!!

I watched for individual performances more so than anything because the players that have been given time to play are being given an opportunity by Rodgers to show what they have. So far there has been great showings from Shelvey and Pacheco and Suso and Sterling look like they have what it takes. Cole played well which is encouraging and some of the other youngsters have shown some good signs. Even if we haven't been fantastic as a team there has still been some very positive signs for the future of LFC.
I'm not expecting any miracles but the youngsters have shown a bit and with more of our first teamers coming back in and some more adjustments to be made I think we will have a positive start to the season.

Yes I do actually. See, you're looking at it based on individual player's performances last season when, much respect as I have for Kenny Dalglish, our tactics were appalling.

I'm sure you'll just read this list as excuses, but there's nothing I can do for the blinkered.

Reina - is best as a sweeper-keeper, a role he's not played for 2 seasons and coincidentally both of which were his worst for the club. I most certainly do not expect him to be worse while in a system that should suit him.
Suarez - Rodgers will build the side around him, nuff said.
Gerrard - has the best cross and dead ball delivery in the squad, still has the pace, maybe lost the hunger. With Lucas back Gerrard should play on the right, and as long as he listens to the manager he'll do well. His fitness is a concern, but he's not 18 anymore.
Carroll - Despite the detractors I think he will do well this season. I may be proved to be wrong and he will be sold/loaned, or will stay and underperform, but he's got time on his side (if not the supporters).
Johnson - much better than Enrique, and while I'm partial to Kelly I think LFC is much stronger with Johnson than without, particularly since he's proven useful cover at LB. Rodgers system should be good for him too as it relies on active full backs.
Bellamy - yes, he has fitness issues. He's still a great player, as he's proved under Dalglish and Pearce yesterday. He's excellent cover for our forward positions. Never underestimate the value of squad depth.
Downing - if he's pressed back into a role to provide service rather than goals he'll do better, and he will have to anyway with Pacheco and Sterling impressing on tour in the same position (and with the right spoken for with Suarez and Bellamy) and probably Borini if he's not played in the middle.
Borini - 21 years old. No reason to judge him even at the end of this season.
Kelly - Will continue to improve.

There is also the not insignificant improvement in the performance of a squad when experienced players of quality get on the pitch at the same time. So say we are dire because our second string couldn't beat a mostly first string Roma side further into their pre-season preparation really is going too far. I hardly see what mirror-looking is required on my side; your comments thus far suggest it is you who need it.

I didn't say we were going to be world beaters - there is an obvious amount of work left to be done. However after what? A month of second string training? You already feel we're too bad to come good. I stand by my original assessment of your OP, or is it your attitude that is at fault?

craney = panic